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  Ernie Lee

  Forget the non electric manual fuel switches as its unprovable. Remember the Boeing Max

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  Fong sk

  There is also the incident of Japan Airlines JA804 FADEC induced engine shutdown in 2013

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  PG

  This woman is a lawyer, not an aviation expert. She attended law school, not aviation trained. Being a part of the department of transportation doesn't make her an expert. She suffers from expectation bias as well. Also, and most importantly, this is an AI generated article that falsely states Boeing is part of the investigation team. You can't trust any fake media or real media outlets that use AI.

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  @johnhbrandon

  The ANA report doesn’t say whether the FDC recorded switch movements from run to cutoff. The fuel control switches have two independent sets of contacts that have unique functions. One set of contacts commands the fuel control valves, the other set sends a position “signal” to the FDR to show what position the switches are in at any given time. In the AI 171 incident, there was a positive recording of the fuel control switches being physically moved from run to cutoff one second apart and not put back into the run/relight position for 10 seconds on engine 1 and 14 seconds for engine two. If there was a situation where both engines flamed out simultaneously, pilots are trained to move the fuel control switches to cutoff and back to run immediately, not 10 seconds later. Airbus uses an almost identical system to control the fuel valves to the engines. Introduced in 2011, the 787 doesn’t have any chronic issue involving the fuel control system. In fact, most Boeing and Airbus aircraft use the same logic.

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  re; The ANA incident

  The ANA incident was completely different. They were on final approach and did not need to restart the engines. Take off and landing are two completely different scenarios.

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  Wayne De Leeuw

  The larger question is when will AI threaten human life? It will also change the dependencies of what humans need. Our lives will be threatened because fewer and fewer jobs will be out there for humans to fill. We are quickly becoming a machine centric world. The machines do standard and mundane functions that humans are accustomed to performing. I would say the first instance of this many years ago was the automated teller machines at banks (ATMs). That resulted in less tellers working at banks. This is quickly effecting many businesses with self checkout machines.

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  Ravi Krishnan A K

  Information about inadvertent dual engine fuel cutoff on All Nippon Airways Boeing 787-8 is available in 'The Aviation Herald' article dated 17 January 2019 available here: https://avherald.com/h?article=4c2fe53a

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  John R

  Correction needed: there was 1 survivor on board AI-171. Many commentators are getting this fact wrong, which makes me wonder about the accuracy of what else these folk are claiming. In short, the Preliminary Report does claim that the fuel cut off switches "transitioned". But the evidence they have for this claim has not been reported. Unless the investigators release further information, it is possible - even likely - that the physical switches didn't move at all. Why do I suggest this? At rotate, we know the fuel cutoff switches were at "run". If the report is to believed, we also know that 40 seconds later, the switches were at "run". There is then a possibility that the duel engine shut down was initiated by a software or micro switch malfunction. Seeing the engines go to cutoff, there would have been multiple cockpit warnings going off, and in such a scenario, the memory check list would be for the pilots to flip the switches to cutoff (if indeed there were at cutoff) and then immediately switch them to "run". All we actually DO know for sure is that the preliminary report, for reasons yet unknown, has added much to confusion and speculation. It doesn't even directly quote the pilots' words. Further official comment needs to be made - and soon - if Air India wants to ever properly recover from this aviation disaster.

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  Mike G

  The engine shutdown on the 2019 ANA flight occurred shortly AFTER the plane landed when the thrust reversers were deployed too soon. Boeing had warned of this possibility.

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  Michael T Scott, Veteran Pilot/Capt since '73

  There are far too many variables that include FADEC malfunction, RAT early deployment, switch integrity vs cascading levels of circuits, Boeing, Air India and the Airlines Industry taking a huge loss over downed equipment and refitted Computer systems. This investigation will likely take several years before its completed and proper safety measures are taken. In the meanwhile the crew should be left blameless.

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  shahadut

  Hi, This tragedy underscores how vital it is to address recurring technical issues and ensure pilots are fully trained to manage complex system failures. If early warnings were missed or insufficiently resolved, accountability is essential. Let’s hope the investigation leads to systemic improvements—not just for Air India, but across the aviation industry. https://insuredirect.com/general-liability-insurance/

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  787Pilot

  I don't find detail of the incident (Mary Schiavo cites). Can anyone point out to actual incident detail (All Nippon airline 2019).

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  Ben

  "the system’s premature fuel cutoff forced the plane to glide heavily to the runway. Fortunately, the incident occurred during landing rather than takeoff, preventing a crash." That statement is incorrect. The aircraft had already landed when the engines cut off.

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